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    When i did collabs we were very 'manual' on this kind of thing.
    We were building the track in time, i.e., generally adding to the end of it.
    I would send my rendered sound clips to my partner with a note of where in the timeline to place each clip. Very basic, but worked.

    Note: you will be exchanging considerable amounts of data. Huge files.
    Email will not do.
    Recommend you get yourselves setup at dropbox. If you don't have an account already PM me with your email and I will send you a link - I can get extra storage by recommending it to other people wink

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    Bliss wrote:
    I am working on a piece that only contains FreeSound Samples, its done in reaper.
    This is the snippet, contact me if you want to collab on it.

    http://soundcloud.com/cube3/dare-collab

    Sounds good. smile But does not relate to the dare we are running currently.
    For your info the official Collaboration Dare has not started yet. For the collab dare all entries would have to be collabs. When I start this up, there are likely to be other requierments too (e.g., must use certain samples or must have a certain theme, etc.) ..... Stay tuned.

    Other than that, for most dares, collab entries are accepted anyway. When they are not, this is specifically stated on the dare theme and rules.

    Note: for music or collab requests that ARE NOT related to the Dare, PLEASE do not post on the dare thread - It is confusing to people.
    There is a "Your work made with Freesound" Forum for these things. Thanks

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    AlienXXX wrote:
    When i did collabs we were very 'manual' on this kind of thing.
    We were building the track in time, i.e., generally adding to the end of it.
    I would send my rendered sound clips to my partner with a note of where in the timeline to place each clip. Very basic, but worked.

    Note: you will be exchanging considerable amounts of data. Huge files.
    Email will not do.
    Recommend you get yourselves setup at dropbox. If you don't have an account already PM me with your email and I will send you a link - I can get extra storage by recommending it to other people wink

    Thats a good idea to get free extra storage wink But remember most people dont only use a free droppbox for dares. I us it mainly for other files, and so I dont have much space left. Its only 2GB and gets filled quickly.

    Google Drive offers 5GB. Which might be better. Double check the features if we see this as a viable option.
    http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/04/25/google-drive-vs-dropbox-cloud-syncing-showdown/

    Any other options? Anyone?

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    AlienXXX wrote:
    Bliss wrote:
    I am working on a piece that only contains FreeSound Samples, its done in reaper.
    This is the snippet, contact me if you want to collab on it.

    http://soundcloud.com/cube3/dare-collab

    Sounds good. smile But does not relate to the dare we are running currently.
    For your info the official Collaboration Dare has not started yet. For the collab dare all entries would have to be collabs. When I start this up, there are likely to be other requierments too (e.g., must use certain samples or must have a certain theme, etc.) ..... Stay tuned.

    Other than that, for most dares, collab entries are accepted anyway. When they are not, this is specifically stated on the dare theme and rules.

    Note: for music or collab requests that ARE NOT related to the Dare, PLEASE do not post on the dare thread - It is confusing to people.
    There is a "Your work made with Freesound" Forum for these things. Thanks

    I have moved the topic to "Your work made with Freesound".
    http://www.freesound.org/forum/your-work-made-with-freesounds/32997/

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    AlienXXX, et Al,

    I am not sure on how the collab would work technically other than the cloud storage sharing. The proposed OMF(I) format doesn't store any timestretching of the sample i think (unless OMF exports the derived wave file from it, filesizes can get rather big). Not sure has anyone ever tested this? Then as discussed previously there are a lot of different plugins.

    This is one of the reasons I stepped over to Reaper. It is cheap $60 so anyone can afford it and the standard plugins sound rather nice, has good audio rendering/upsampling options. Also has excellent scripting extensions (free)which i use mainly for advanced groove quantization and LFO automations (it can draw smooth interpolated sinus on any automation lane).

    I collab in other teams as well and we finally choose this as our work platform.

    It runs both on mac and pc (32 and 64 bit).

    DAW
    http://www.reaper.fm
    Extensions (Free)
    http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/

    BTW, another option than the earlier proposed Dropbox/GDrive, people seem to use SVN / Tortoise successfully with Reaper's RPP files for versioning.

    " you can access it from within REAPER's media browser, which allows you to version-control projects pretty painlessly from within REAPER."

    Thread: http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-36204.html

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    Thanks Bliss,

    You seem to be quite an expert in the matter. smile

    I am still thining about how exactly I will laungh the collab dare thingy.
    I think I will definetely make a reference to this thread, as this is useful information for anyone who may want to try it.

    I think ultimately what will happen is that people will pair up and decide themselves how they want to work. It is important that they know about the options.

    As I said, my previous experience with collabs has been vary basic wav file exchanges. And even that worked.
    Where there is a will there is a way!

    Keep watching the Dare teh Community forum. I will post a collab Dare in the comming weeks.

    Thanks

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    I am thinking about two things. When we launch the collab dare, it will have to be in phases.
    Phase 1 will have to do with Pairing of Partners, and Phase 2 will be the actual dare, ie submissions. Concurrently, phase 3 will be discussion, phase 4 will be voting, and phase 5 results.
    For phase 1, we can have a thread in which people can throw themselves in a sort of a pool of participants. All they need to do is mention "I am interested, and my DAW is %whatever%; I'd like to work with anyone who has this daw, that daw, or whatever."
    Say, we give phase one a period of a week or so, so people can vote themselves in and pair up with other potential darers in that timeframe.
    To add fun to the whole process, we can also mandate that no two partners can do two consecutive dares together. So they can team up again after skipping a dare. (Example, two partners can come together for Co-Dare 1, but not for Co-Dare 2; they can get together again for Co-Dare 3).

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    Hi afleetingspeck

    The idea to run the dare with 6-7 weeks deadline instead of 4 is precisely to allow for all those extra steps. Not sure if I would go as far as saying from date X to date Y find your partner. But you are right, that might be best.
    We should all make sure this is up to date with your gear and software:
    http://www.freesound.org/forum/dare-the-community/32171/

    That will help with the pairing up process.

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    AlienXXX wrote:
    Hi afleetingspeck

    Miracle. woot

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    afleetingspeck wrote:
    AlienXXX wrote:
    Hi afleetingspeck

    Miracle. woot

    LOL Don't get used to it!
    I have written 'spec' so many times in my life the context of shortspell for 'specification' that I seem to have become unable to write speck...
    Yet another case of the job subtly taking over my life and all my brain cells...

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    The specific SVN teaming approach new to me, but i am willing to team up on REAPER with the SVN versioning system, I have a SVN server, willing to explain how versioning works on it. ON PC (not mac)

    I am also willing to teach how the basics of Reaper works on remote desktop sessions through teamviewer.com (easy to install and its free). You will fall in love with this DAW gem, of that i am certain.

    If it works as described it will be a pretty painless iteration process between versions in our team up.

    So anyone who wants to team up with me on Reaper when the definition of dare is completed is more than welcome to receive a password on the dedicated SVN server.

    Let the battles begin: but realize, the more painless iterations you can do with your team member without having to swap between different daws/plugins etc, will result in a better end result. smile muahah so far my psychological sales pitch.

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    Bliss wrote:
    So anyone who wants to team up with me on Reaper when the definition of dare is completed is more than welcome to receive a password on the dedicated SVN server.

    I'd still hope that you'd be willing to team up with someone even if they are not running reaper? The exchange of wav files seems to be the next best way of doing things if DAWs do not match up.

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    afleetingspeck wrote:
    Bliss wrote:
    So anyone who wants to team up with me on Reaper when the definition of dare is completed is more than welcome to receive a password on the dedicated SVN server.

    I'd still hope that you'd be willing to team up with someone even if they are not running reaper? The exchange of wav files seems to be the next best way of doing things if DAWs do not match up.

    wow quick reaction haha , no I didnt say that, but i think it would be a pretty cool experience to do it this way. forget me if i am wrong but you would be willing to use reaper right? You heard the snippet on soundcloud its a good daw, espcially the rendering.

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    Bliss wrote:
    wow quick reaction haha , no I didnt say that, but i think it would be a pretty cool experience to do it this way. forget me if i am wrong but you would be willing to use reaper right? You heard the snippet on soundcloud its a good daw, espcially the rendering.

    Yeah, the minute I decided to check this particular sub-forum, your post was "0 minutes old." tongue
    No, definitely, that would be an easier way for you to do things, but I don't think I've seen anyone here on the forum (yet) having reaper. If someone decides to go purchase it, I'll stand corrected later on. I personally have reason 5 and cubase 5. If I had reaper, it would've been a good collab, but I'll be working with Head-Phaze for the first collab dare (sorry! he contacted me a few days ago, and I agreed). I'll keep an eye out for you for later dares, though!

    EDIT: And if that is your own cover picture on facebook, man you've got one hell of a rig! I'm not necessarily jealous, but... ah, no, I AM jealous. And I'm in admiration just looking at the whole setup. grin

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    afleetingspeck wrote:
    Bliss wrote:
    wow quick reaction haha , no I didnt say that, but i think it would be a pretty cool experience to do it this way. forget me if i am wrong but you would be willing to use reaper right? You heard the snippet on soundcloud its a good daw, espcially the rendering.

    Yeah, the minute I decided to check this particular sub-forum, your post was "0 minutes old." tongue
    No, definitely, that would be an easier way for you to do things, but I don't think I've seen anyone here on the forum (yet) having reaper. If someone decides to go purchase it, I'll stand corrected later on. I personally have reason 5 and cubase 5. If I had reaper, it would've been a good collab, but I'll be working with Head-Phaze for the first collab dare (sorry! he contacted me a few days ago, and I agreed). I'll keep an eye out for you for later dares, though!

    EDIT: And if that is your own cover picture on facebook, man you've got one hell of a rig! I'm not necessarily jealous, but... ah, no, I AM jealous. And I'm in admiration just looking at the whole setup. grin

    I saw two people that use reaper in dare forum. I read you would be willing to do reaper. I think it would be a good upportunity its so much easier to have someone talk you through the basics, not in how you make music but just how stuff works compared to other sequencers, i know i want to learn something about ableton as well as to have a better critique about what is the killer tool really? You dont have to buy reaper, a nag screen will turn up and will remember you to be polite wink nevertheless i bought it at some point. But the software will keep functioning nevertheless, i think its a month or something dunno.... enough for the dare anyways.

    didnt know about your deal with head phaze. I wish you all the best with head phaze in the collab man!

    The setup is pretty significant, but this used for commercial productions usually. I will not be using any of this gear in the dares. (only the mastering of the final wave file).

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    Bliss wrote:
    afleetingspeck wrote:
    Bliss wrote:
    wow quick reaction haha , no I didnt say that, but i think it would be a pretty cool experience to do it this way. forget me if i am wrong but you would be willing to use reaper right? You heard the snippet on soundcloud its a good daw, espcially the rendering.

    Yeah, the minute I decided to check this particular sub-forum, your post was "0 minutes old." tongue
    No, definitely, that would be an easier way for you to do things, but I don't think I've seen anyone here on the forum (yet) having reaper. If someone decides to go purchase it, I'll stand corrected later on. I personally have reason 5 and cubase 5. If I had reaper, it would've been a good collab, but I'll be working with Head-Phaze for the first collab dare (sorry! he contacted me a few days ago, and I agreed). I'll keep an eye out for you for later dares, though!

    EDIT: And if that is your own cover picture on facebook, man you've got one hell of a rig! I'm not necessarily jealous, but... ah, no, I AM jealous. And I'm in admiration just looking at the whole setup. grin

    I saw two people that use reaper in dare forum. I read you would be willing to do reaper. I think it would be a good upportunity its so much easier to have someone talk you through the basics, not in how you make music but just how stuff works compared to other sequencers, i know i want to learn something about ableton as well as to have a better critique about what is the killer tool really? You dont have to buy reaper, a nag screen will turn up and will remember you to be polite wink nevertheless i bought it at some point. But the software will keep functioning nevertheless, i think its a month or something dunno.... enough for the dare anyways.

    didnt know about your deal with head phaze. I wish you all the best with head phaze in the collab man!

    The setup is pretty significant, but this used for commercial productions usually. I will not be using any of this gear in the dares. (only the mastering of the final wave file). sBecause at some point Electrons blow life into a recording, opposed to just 0 and 1's.

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    Forgot to say maybe until next time then afleetingspeck smile

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    Bliss wrote:
    Forgot to say maybe until next time then afleetingspeck smile

    Indeed! Best wishes to you!

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    Guys, at the moment i am trying to setup a collab with another fellow here (even before the proper collab-dare).
    Lets see how that goes.
    By the time we are finishing up with the halloween dare i will have something up for the collab dare.
    We will definetely have a 'warm up' period for people to team up.

    Reaper is definetely worth a try.
    I have used and need to reinstall it-not got to it yet since my computer crash.
    I have purchade the full version of Live and i find Reaper to be superior to it in some aspects. For example, the possibility of having 2 clips plat at the same time on on track (with or withou cross fade)

    and my favorite: clip specific effects.
    Say that you have lyirics on a track and you just want echo on one particular word. Cut it into a separate clip and load up reverb as an effect for that clip. Done. Much simpler than automating the effect on/off.

    Reaper demo works forever. Nothing is disabled. You only get a nag screen at start.

    hmmmm..... erm..... I forgot...
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    AlienXXX wrote:
    Guys, at the moment i am trying to setup a collab with another fellow here (even before the proper collab-dare).
    Lets see how that goes.
    By the time we are finishing up with the halloween dare i will have something up for the collab dare.
    We will definetely have a 'warm up' period for people to team up.

    Reaper is definetely worth a try.
    I have used and need to reinstall it-not got to it yet since my computer crash.
    I have purchade the full version of Live and i find Reaper to be superior to it in some aspects. For example, the possibility of having 2 clips plat at the same time on on track (with or withou cross fade)

    and my favorite: clip specific effects.
    Say that you have lyirics on a track and you just want echo on one particular word. Cut it into a separate clip and load up reverb as an effect for that clip. Done. Much simpler than automating the effect on/off.

    Reaper demo works forever. Nothing is disabled. You only get a nag screen at start.

    Thanks for the intro to reaper, i'm downloading now. Although I use Cubase, I love using other DAWs because often they contain powerful tools in editing or workflow different from the others. For example, fruity loops is amazing for making a plethora of elaborate drum patterns and other MIDI programming FAST.

    I'll let you know what I think smile


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