running a lousy recorder with an outboard preamp is a right PITA in the field. I run a HiMD but to use my MKH30/40 I have to use a outboard phantom power unit. It's a drag and I keep thinking i need to get a Sound Devices or a Nagra BB+
The Microtrack only give 30V on phantom and preamps are noisy as hell. You could consider the usual suspects - Tascam HD-P2, Fostex FR2LE, Marantz PMD660 as a step up, but you only get really good mic preamps if you get up to the SD and Nagra BB+ levels. Or as you propose use a a field mixer.
If you want low cost low noise using mics like the Sennheiser MKH series you can do worse than a HiMD + phantom unit which will give you better performance off the bat than the Microtrack - see
and the media are cheap ($5/Gb) compared to CF cards, so you can go for long field expeditions without needing to dump to a computer or spend a fortune in CF cards.
Spending your $$ mainly on the mics as you propose is the way to go - signal quality once lost can never be regained.... Adding a MKH30 fig 8 to your MKH60 will give you MS stereo on that rig, and you could add a MKH40 for the wider soundfields. The MKH series is lovely and quiet and doesn't go into a hissy fit when it gets damp because ofthe RF pickup method.
Don't you need the file in a format the phone can read? Like for my Sony Ksomething or other I needed to convert the sounds to .amr format?
So maybe finding out the capability of the phone is a first start - not all phones can play mp3, and even those that can play mp3 don't necessarily play mp3 as ringtones...
Ah, that is clearer. Your suspensions look fine, but the way you are using them doesn't The mic cable also conducts sound to the mics (wear headphones with no input and listen to the conducted sound if you touch the cable 5cm from the earpieces to confirm this...).
You want a long piece of cable (about 30cm or more) hanging loose and then clamped to a solid structure. Or you need to make a loop and clamp it to something that won't move.
At the moment all the trouble you have taken with your suspension is being degraded by the mic cable transmitting the floor vibrations to the mics via about 5-10cm of the cable, which is resting on the floor. Listen to the mic when you tap the floor, then raise the stand so there is more of a loop of wire, maybe taped to the stand after 30cm of a loose loop, and tap the floor again.
The mics are not necessarily at fault - any mic with an extended LF response will behave similarly. But at least the fix is low cost.
You also have the mics low-down on a table. This will tend to boost low frequencies by working as a boundary, if you raise the stand and have it on the floor aimed across the table you will pick up less sound from the table and have more air for the mics to pick up sound - you may get a better stereo image too. The NT4 have a reasonably good reputation though people sya they are a little more prone to handling noise than others so you will need to take a bit more care with the mounting. This is easier to do indoors though.
You may also want to look at using O rings for your suspension (or old VCR belts) these do not have the bounce that rubber bands do, so they have more internal damping which may help. Also experiment with the tension on your elastic suspension. I use a similar rig to yours sometimes, using wide flat rubber bands, and it works very well. Not quite as good as a dpa shockmount but the price is good. On the dpa they use specially thin and damped cable to reduce mechanical sound conduction through the cable to the mic, but I find if you have a long enough length from the mic to the clamped cable this works well enough with normal mic cable.
Thanks for your reactivity, Ermine, it's really great to ask something and have answers within an hour !
I agree with what you say, and it's true that I recorded the sound on a wood floor. I was still using these homemade suspensions, which are not my best handwork :
(You'll understand why I call them "rednecks"... :wink: )
So, I understand the first point : buy suspensions (or a least one for the NT4) !
But there will be always the problem of low frequencies on the NT4, and the noise on the Sontronics is still bothering me. So, any advice on microphones ?
Hey dude, glad ya liked it. It's a bit drawn out and cheesy when I look back on it now but meh..
I used a 57 close to the shooter and Marshal MXL2001 large diaphram condensors for the ambiance and target mics. The mic pres were via the Allen and Heath Mixer in the tent.
For mixing i had to realign all the tracks as there's a time delay between all the mics and just mixed a few with low ambiance and some with alot for big reverb tails.
And tweaking means giving a slight adjustment to something.
Hope that helps. Cheers.
Wow, this is a great video, Sonic ! Thanks for the job !
I have some questions about this... well, this shot :
- So, you used only dynamics microphones, such as an SM57? Which pre-amplifiers ?
- You had three microphones, one near the gun, one taking ambience, and one at the target : how did you mix that ?
- Silly case of translation problem : what is "to tweak" ? :?
Thanks again for the job, I hope I'll be able to do it myself (and share it here)!
On the NT4 it sounds like you have a resonance in the combination of the mic and the stand which is picking up the impact as a structural vibration. There is a characteristic 'thunk' which I associate with a heavy mic picking up vibrations on a non-elastic suspension.
You might want to try using a floor stand and stand it on a solid concrete floor eg in the ground floor, rather than on floorboards in an upstairs room. Or possibly your object is on a wooden table, and that is resonating with the impact like a soundboard when the object is struck.
I agree that the Sontronics is noisy and perhaps not your best mic, unless the sound was really faint and not the sound of something like a door creaking loudly
Look (or hear ), your samples are two different recordings of totally different sources, so it is not possible to compare the microphones that way - but judging from high noise and harshness on "sontronics" recording it is not exactly the microphone I would want to use... The NT4 sound fine to me - the low rumble is normal (like ermin explained) and it also sounds like on your recording it was caused by some handling or recorded object vibration or it could also be from the proximity effect of the microphone - bass frequencies are enhanced when you close mic audio sources - there is no other way then to do a low cut or low shelving in post production if the mic doesn't have a low cut switch... But the overall sound of your short clip of NT4 sounds nice... I don't hear a problem.
Ok, that was what I was wondering... Handling sounds are not really a problem to me, as I use it on a stand indoors just for little sounds, but this low frequencies problem are annoying.
Anybody, any idea to fix the problems, or any idea of a better microphone for this kind of recording ?
Thanks for your help.
ill look into that, thanks much!
Hi, ´when trying to move sounds to play on my mobile phone (Nokia), I get an error on the phone saying that the file has been damaged. I´ve tried on different phones and we all get the same error. Any clue ? :?:
It´s now called "Adobe flash player"
Here's my offering. Layers and, of course, several orgasms. Gracias, Mateo!
Hey, I came to this site looking for samples and got sucked in. This place is great! Just thought I'd introduce myself so I can go paste a link in the remix the people contest.
what acclivity says is correct.
Why not the Edirol R09, which has a built-in stereo mic? Les fancy features than the zoom, but more compact and usable IMO
Glaneur de sons
I recently bought a Rode NT4, and after several tests with my Tascam, the bass frequences bellow 80 hz are too high, like a constant rumble. Fixable, but annoying...
With a pair of Sontronics STC1, I have another problem : a sort of blow, above 5000 Hz...
So, where does it come from ? Any idea ? Any advise on how to fix it ?
Same here, I neither liked the low frequencies from the NT4. Has no low cut filter and you have to correct it in post. This, along with its very high handling noise when used in the field.... well, sorry to tell but it went to eBay.
hello, im new to this site, am definetly amazed at this! anyway, im finishing up an associates in recording arts at school and am new at all this relatively. since learing more about field recording at school, im looking to learn more about this. i have a few questions.
so...i can download and use the sounds on freesound as long as i credit the author of them?
i am looking to get a hd recorder, namely an m audio micro or a zoom, which do u prefer? and what kind of mic to start?
(ususally a senheiser is what is suggested)
thanks very much
Hi everybody... i guess i will take my chance in this contest. Wait for some Costa Rica "quality" mix
Now there's a challenge ... I need to wind up to that one ... and wait until the house is empty!
Ah, but does it need to be male or female?
With Christmas coming up, and the prospect of presents, I'm believing quite hard how grateful you might be !!!
bump + id like a male voice, female would sound too horror like for me
but yea male
thx so much for the interest guys
i dont think accents would matter
jus imagine urself on a road at night when its raining and you're completly breaking down