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    AlienXXX wrote:
    I have seen people comment on sounds saying things like. "It is good, just what I need. Can you make it louder?" - Well... download the damn sound, get it into a sound editor and do it yourself!

    I haven't been recording or using the site for long but I happily stumbled across a comment that said "Make it shorter" to which the reply was "Make it shorter yourself you lazy t**t!" (Their's wasn't asterixed).

    I've been laughing about that one ever since. But yes, you're right, a lot of people want everything wrapped up and perfect, which is strange because I tend to upload quite long recordings so people can take the short section they want and edit it. If you do too much yourself you may be limiting people's creative choices.

    I guess that's the inherant problem. If you upload clips that have room for other people to creatively tweak, you're going to get negative ratings from the uncreative people who just want to take the perfect clip. I'm going to stick with my habit of uploading stuff people can play about with. More people can get use of it that way.

    If I've heard right I think the general belief is that the rating system doesn't help much so it's up to users to ignore the ratings and think for yourself, (which the truly creative would do anyway I guess).

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    Headphaze wrote:
    But do you really believe that a user searching for a particular sound will look at the rating and then not bother to audition the sound? I really doubt that.

    Yes and no.

    In this twiter and Facebook generation, where everything is immediate and expected to be free (or paid for by someone else) some young kids have very short attention spans. They no longer amaze at the amazing things the internet can do. For them is a given, was here when they were born, they grew with it and expect everything to be there for free and to be easy.
    I have seen people comment on sounds saying things like. "It is good, just what I need. Can you make it louder?" - Well... download the damn sound, get it into a sound editor and do it yourself!

    The point being. Yes, unfortunately some people will just want to look at the "best" sounds. IF you grew up with Facebook, it is all about how many likes you have got. So any sound that is not 5 star is too uncool even to listen to!

    Someone who is really considering using the sound is likely to want to audition many sounds before choosing.
    However, not every user that comes here to download something knows well how this site works. So I guess many may still follow the ratings system as a good indicator. I think that is confirmed by PapercutterJohn experience with the effect of ratings on sound downloads.

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    hello all im new to using the sound effects i have it downloaded how do i use it so when i click my mouse u can hear it click smile

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    Yeah, as I said, I don't think there should be a rating system at all. Because obviously it's biased. All it takes is one poor rating by a user who arguably has an entirely subjective opinion about a particular sound to ruin the reputation of that upload.

    This is a topic that's cropped up several times in the past few years, so you're not alone with your concerns.

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    4340 - Osmosis

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    Headphaze wrote:
    Ratings only showing for a sound that have a minimum amount of submissions, this would counteract this single rating bias.

    I like that. I think you've got it sussed!
    Mind you, as people use the samples for a massively wide variety of purposes, perhaps rating is irrelevant. what's good for one is useless for another.

    If there is a rating system, I think your idea is excellent smile

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    The main problem here is that sounds don't get rated enough to make a good average rating.

    A lot of my sounds only have one rating, and that means the individual's subjective opinion is presented as the ultimate verdict.

    Rating only whilst commenting sounds like a logical alternative, but this doesn't really fix anything. Ratings only showing for a sound that have a minimum amount of submissions, this would counteract this single rating bias.

    As i've said before, when I search for sounds, the rating isn't even something that crosses my mind; I always audition the sound to hear it. I understand that not everyone has this same approach, and a lot of people are impatient when doing searches, so they may look to ratings to gauge the quality.

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    Headphaze wrote:
    But do you really believe that a user searching for a particular sound will look at the rating and then not bother to audition the sound?

    Yes, I do. Depends how important the sound is to you of course. If say you search for "snare" and a lot of choices come up, the tendancy would be to skip the ones someone has already said are rubbish. On the other side of that arguement is clearly seen in a certain massive online bookshop. There's always one jerk who's given a great book one star cos he hadn't read the discription properly. If you skipped all the books with one star you'd never choose one.

    If you could only rate when commenting, at least we'd know why they thought it was so bad. Then we could maybe learn from the criticism/advise. I think my main concern with the rating system is that people can give someone's work one star and you don't know who or why. It's not as though they are paying customers!

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    Exactly. The upload process need a significant streamlining and speedup. Get inspired by soundcloud, for example.

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    shing ? ... http://www.freesound.org/search/?q=shing
    e.g.
    http://www.freesound.org/people/Timbre/sounds/149349/
    http://www.freesound.org/people/Sclolex/sounds/236008/
    http://www.freesound.org/people/Timbre/sounds/221641/

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    Hi PicassoCT

    i have made a record with sharping Knive. It will be next time online after "Uploaded sounds awaiting moderation".

    I hope you can use it and feel free to comment wink

    Wish nice weekend and greetings from Switzerland

    gblanke

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    I'm kind of late to respond because I rarely check this forum ...

    my SciFi pack

    It includes a few attempts at re-creating from scratch the iconic sounds from Star Trek (the original series).

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    4339 - filtering

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    My home made MS set-up made with existing gear.

    I have experiment with Mid-side recording for while. I am an amateur, so it took a while to have good results.
    I make static field recordings, so I do not have to walk around with the mics.
    The usual Mid-side mics are to expensive for me.
    My goal was to make field recordings with deep penetration and wide stereo without hearing my handling-noise when I am sitting behind the mike.

    I did the following;
    I took a Rode NT4 xy microphone. It has two XLR's. One for left one for the right channel.
    Made an extra cable where I can put in the XLR's as input and with one XLR as output to my recorder. In the output connector I connected the left and right anti parallel. That means the Hot and cold wire of the right channel is switched. So Hot left and Cold right are connected and Hot Right and Cold Left are connected. That cable become the right channel of the recorder and become the site channel. I power it with 48V phantom power and it works, but you can use a battery as well.
    The result of this setting is that the left and right channel creates a figure eight diagram with less signal from behind. This because the mic is a XY mic.

    I use a Rode NT1 shot-gun as mid microphone in the right channel of the recorder.

    In the Sound Devices 302 I can make a Mid side recording on the set. (set software switch 26 to position 26, see manual).

    If you have just a normal stereo recorder you can work this way;

    Make a test recording (shotgun in left, the modified NT4 XY mic in right channel)
    Record on normal level. I know it does not sound well when you monitor but here is the wonder;

    Now you upload the recording into Audacity.
    Split the stereo channels
    make the left channel a MONO signal.
    copy the right channel and invert the copy.
    Make the original right channel a LEFT channel
    Make the inverted right channel a RIGHT channel

    and here is the wonder;
    fade-out the right and left channel to ZERO and play the recording.
    Now you here the shotgun signal as MONO
    when you fade in the left and right channel equally the wide stereo MID-SIDE appears.

    Have fun experimenting yourself..

    Here is a recording I have made;
    http://freesound.org/people/klankbeeld/sounds/320162/

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    Ratings are kind of useless for the reasons aforementioned.

    But do you really believe that a user searching for a particular sound will look at the rating and then not bother to audition the sound? I really doubt that.

    Personally I don't even acknowledge ratings, not even on my own sounds.

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    4338 - Haystack

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    4337 - needle

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    4336 - Angle

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    @klankbeeld

    Yes, comments are good. A lot can be learned from an honest criticism.
    I think it's funny that people take the time to (often anonymously) give a free sound a low rating. Like I said on twitter when someone gave one of my sounds 2 stars yesterday, "If I thought it was good I would have charged!".

    Anyway, thank you @klankbeeld for taking the time to comment on this post. It's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks the way I do.

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    I agree

    I think that the rating system should not exist at all.
    I like the comment more. Most of the time the comment is more realistic. Most of the people giving comments are friendly ore have realistic Ideas to improve my work. I like that more than starts