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    An appeal to people submitting samples...


    I've made a post about this years ago on ccmixer and I think I might have even talked about it here before also. Have you all ever seen a sample library? It's full of gigs and gigs and gigs of samples! Try keeping track of that credit list.

    A lot of samples are submitted with licenses attributed that I don't think people really thought thru. We are all sharing together here. These days in society it's natural to assume nothing is ever free and everything should be paid for. As unknown underground artists, we rarely even make any money back from the money spent to create the art we make. Anyone who spends around $1,000 to press 500 CDs is lucky to see his money back and is lucky to sell them all. Nevermind the thoughsands spent on gear. I think epoeple should be happy to see others using their samples and they should be as public domain. How much you want for that car horn honk? I don't even think people should sue for copying others songs but... I don't have room here to explain my entire philosophy and how I follow Negativland's view on the subject of copyright so I'll try to get to the point...

    If you make a movie, a CD, whatever, and you use samples from here, and you want to be legal about it and follow the rules by the book, you are going to have to have a mile long credit list to people for beeping car horns, screeching car noises, and so on. Not too mention that if you are a struggling unknown artist like myself that is a full time artist sometimes sleeping on the streets, that you can't even make 1 dime off a CD sale according to rights, because virtually everyone uses the license that requires credit and non-commercial use. Come on now, for a beeping car horn? Fact is I've asked these questions before and they were answered back with, well I doubt anyone will care or even know you used it. But that's not the point, you are breaking the rules by doing it. Let me say something, I got a CD coming out in a few weeks, it's going to be for sale so those who like my stuff are free to support it by buying it if they like but if people start copying it like crazy I'd be more then happy they help me get my music out. PLEASE STEAL MY MUSIC!

    CCmixer's forum is small so no one even notice my post years ago and I dunno how much my post makes a difference here but please put your stuff up as public domain license. Samplers have thousands of sound files, their is no way to keep track of every single persons contact to ask for full permission, and it's tough to make a mile long credit list on a CD. Just a 2 extra panels on pressing costs $200-300 to fit writing on.

    A guy a while ago contacted me for permission to some car screech sounds I uploaded. I said to him, that's really nice for asking but it's not necessary you don't need permission for my stuff. But he still credited me which was nice, though I feel bad for the guy because he is good at what he does and he must have spent too much time on crediting when, well read on... His short movie was great too and yes he did have a mile long credit list to every car horn beep and burp sound possible. Me and one other guy were the only ones to post where his video was put up to lend support. I had to register at Vimeo. I doubt almost any of those credited people even saw the video. They definitely didn't even comment on it! I even posted about his short video on myspace to help him get some support. I like to help people, especially good people. But it's a good thing his short vid was short cause if it was a normal movie lenth, it would need 10 miles of credits rolling at the end. You guys realize that very few people are like this guy and will take a year out of his time to make this list and keep track of the door creaks and stuff?

    Sorry if my post comes across as a rant but it just frustrates me. I'm going to even pick out a good place to donate $1 of each of my CD sales to. Come on people, you want credit for a car honk? A song has hundreds of sounds in it. A movie has thousands. Should I hire an assistant to keep track of the 10min credit roll that no one will watch? Unless you are taking someone's entire song to use in a movie I don't see the point of crediting and non-commercial requirements. We aren't corperate giants here. I'm just an indipendant artist with my own label putting out my own stuff, paying for my own pressing. Saving every dime to put together $900 for a 300-500 press.

    [EDIT] I just realize something. That you can't even choose the Public Domain CC license which I believe is 3.0 So is their no artists on this site that plan to press a CD or DVD?

    "Hello, Dead Dog Records, if it ain't barkin then it ain't a dead dog" -Negativland
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    The option to release samples in PD will be introduced once the new freesound version goes online.

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    every Freesound sample has author's name in the filename, and every FS user has the attribution list: therefore it is not such an hard job to find out the provenience of a sample, even after a year.

    there is no need to print a very long list in a cd booklet: one can create a web page with samples&authors list and print only the relative link in the booklet - same with a video: put the link into credits.

    the value of a sample is not in the sound itself but in the act of uploading it in FS. a "simple car horn" anyway means some time used in recording it, cut and clean it, maybe convert it before uploading. a simple workflow for audio experts, not so simple for beginners or casual hobbysts. uploading sounds in FS is always a gentle act performed by a human: PublicDomain erase this important (imho) value

    "How much you want for that car horn honk?" I answer with another question:
    may we consider human relationships in new terms other than money reward?

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    monnie101
    [...]you can't even make 1 dime off a CD sale according to rights, because virtually everyone uses the license that requires credit and non-commercial use[...]

    I am confused. It seems to me that you did not read the license used for all sounds here, which clearly allows commercial use. Am I wrong?

    PS: another appeal http://www.freesound.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3629&highlight=public+domain

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    Hi thanks for the replies. I was a bit confused for a moment there as I did not know that their were more then one cc 1.0 license and it is not a public domain one. I think I had cc mixer in mind maybe well somehow I did not see that it could be used for both commercial and non commercial. It doesn't seem to say it needs to be credited to a person. But yet it isn't a public domain license though it sounds like one.

    Good idea for the link in the cd to a rights list. I have some worries about that idea though as I'm not sure all would be happy with it and it would have to be a link page that would be up for a long time because if you change the page you can't change it in the cd page.

    I see the point about it not just being a sample and that it takes time to record and upload it. But in my personal opinion I don't think I need a personal credit since I am downloading other stuff here. People on this site both give and receive. That one car screech I put up, was downloaded something crazy like over 1,000 times and I got a few comments and a rating. I see just downloading it as someone saying, "Hey that's kool, nice sound, I like it and I'm downloading it" and the comments are a bonus of niceage. But hey that's just my opinion and we all have different ones.

    The files do feature peoples names but their is a couple issues with that. The filename should be in the back and freesound added. In order to have a proper library of samples where you can find what you are looking for among thousands of audio files, you must have them organized as I do. The way the files are currently named by default, one must cut and past the name to the back of the file.

    From this: 56690__sleepdust__Light_Pad_1.wav
    To this: samples/synths folder/Pads_Light-Pad1_by_sleepdust_freesound (<instrument preset name> <by username> <website>wink

    I don't know how other artists who put out music to the public do it but I'm interested in knowing and hearing other methods. Are most people here artists or are they mostly people who just mess around and do this as a part time hobbie to put music on websites or accompany them to their videos on sites as Yutube or veomo? An artist who uses samples and produces on a computer will often have a huge sample library with samples coming from numerous sources including creating his or her own. Sometimes my filenames get long and it takes longer to name the file then download it. Good thing I'm handing at using shortcuts such as control c and v.

    Thanks for the links. Freesound version 2 sounds great. By the way I just got a killer new Audio Technica 4033/CL mic. I can't wait to get a chance to make some interesting samples. I'm really glad that Freesound does have a listing of downloads and on the persons name, and downloaded. I wish the other site did that because now I am going crazy looking for this girl's acapella I used. I put her name as Daisy and its from cc mixer. I went and did a search on their site and only 5 things came up which none was her. So now I can't find her profile page to ask her permission personally so that I can put it on the CD. Since the cd will be sold at a profit of a few dollars ($1 going to a charity I haven't picked yet) it is considered commercial purposes and I'm pretty sure that the license said for non-commercial purposes. I download this in 2007 from cc mixer. I guess that is what led to my frustrated post. Thank you all for your patience.

    EDIT I checked the post again and noticed that is is from 2008 but their doesn't seem to be a Freesound 2 yet and no Public Domain license setup use. I'm a little confused now. Do we have to credit the person or not?

    "Hello, Dead Dog Records, if it ain't barkin then it ain't a dead dog" -Negativland
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    The sounds on freesound are licensed under the Creative Commons Sampling Plus 1.0 License ("Sampling+"wink. "CCZero" ("cc0"wink will be introduced in the future, when the website gets an update (the donation button at top left is supposed to make that process speed up wink ). Currently the Sampling+ license applies, so please read it. smile

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    Why would there need to be a license for Public Domain sounds? Can't we just upload sounds we've created and specify they are intended for public domain and require no attribution?

    Butterloki
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    Butterloki
    Why would there need to be a license for Public Domain sounds? Can't we just upload sounds we've created and specify they are intended for public domain and require no attribution?
    There is a need for different licensing options to be integrated in freesound, so it is possible to see only public domain sounds for example.

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